Well, you little girls have fun (trolls)..... Boss says time to go home, I just gotta finish packing three more pairs of front rotors to be shipped out tomorrow.
Originally posted by mrdeucie 80% of the rice rockets out there are Hondas/Acuras.
True enough, but I seriously doubt that any of the Honda owners posting on this thread have any rice on their cars, whereas several Altima owners have rice items in their sig lines and posts.
Hell, I didn't even know about fake disc brakes to cover the drums before I read this thread..
Additionally, how many Altima owners race?
At least you can in civics and integras.
Altima was an economical family sedan, until '02 rolled around....
This exerpt is from my ORIGINAL post on the 3rd page:
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Now let's talk about strength - and how x-drilled rotors lack it. This one is simple. Explain again just how drilling away material/structure from a CAST product DOES NOT weaken it? Since you are obviously a man of great knowledge and experience surely you have seen what can happen to a x-drilled rotor on track right? Yes it can happen to a non-drilled rotor as well but the odds are in your favor when pimpin' bling-bling drilled y0! Since you are also an expert on thermodynamics why not explain to the group what happens to a cast iron molecule when it is overheated. I will give you a little hint - the covalence bonds weaken. These bonds are what hold the molecules together boys and girls. You do the math - it adds up to fractures.
So according to you strength should not be an issue as long as braking is increased?
Now - Drag racing experience does not equate out to road racing experience Junior. I don't want to hear for a second that the systems and principals are the same. Last time I checked a road race car doesn't use a parachute to slow it down. Also the last time I checked a dragster's brakes are not required to be heat-cycled 5-10 times in 2-3 minutes repeatedly for 30 minutes or more. So tell me how oranges taste when all you eat is apples.
I will keep repeating myself until he answers the question . . .
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I hate choads who talk out there ass.
I'm sure a set would look great on your Cavalier, too.
Will he give you a discount?
Actually, someone wanted my Cavalier more, so I made sure I ordered an Acura Integra, cuz ya know every integra is a race car.....
Oh, to Cobra, you are a retard, he never said strenght doesn't matter, you lazy puts (I don't mind talking shit to a bunch of Honda drivers....)....
So, umm, yeah, Cobra, do me a favor, go troll somewhere else, you net nerd...
Oh, to Cobra, you are a retard, he never said strenght doesn't matter, you lazy puts (I don't mind talking shit to a bunch of Honda drivers....)....
Putz has a "Z" in it you stupid jackwad. You are 100% correct. He never said anything about strength. I did. Why? Because he is telling all these people to run out and buy these rotors and they are more subject to cracking and fatigue. Am I wrong about that? Tell me I am wrong! Do they not deserve to know the possible consequences of their purchases? As a vendor do you not feel it necessary to tell them all the facts? C'mon assmunch - tell them I am wrong about the fatigue issues. Tell them that the pimpy rotors they are buying DO NOT have a higher potential for catastrophic failure than a non-drilled unit. Tell them that I am full of shit - but be prepared to back it up.
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So, umm, yeah, Cobra, do me a favor, go troll somewhere else, you net nerd...
I may be a nerd but I don't hide facts from my customers . . .
I used to drive a Maxima, until it crapped out. Nissan offers good performance, but Honda stuff is better made, from someone w/ 300K+ miles behind the wheel of both companies' products. I guess I'll just have to live in the upper part of the rev range to beat Nissans.
Anyhow, the Altima is Nissan's ricer darling.
All the kids whose mommies and daddies didn't buy a slow Accord for them to pass down get stuck w/ a slow Altima to rice out.
Nissan's fours still don't have what it takes to compete w/ Honda, no matter what they've punched them out to.
There are some other points I want to discuss, but I need to eat dinner, so this one will do for now.
I own an Altima, a Maxima, and an Accord. If you think the Altima is some slow piece, especially compared to an Accord, you really should drive both side by side. My Accord, even with VTEC yo, is a slug compared to either of my Nissans. My Altima is more comfortable, handles better, is quicker, and stops better than the Accord could dream of. The seats in the Accord are reason enough to trade it in. VTEC is a waste. My Maxima is 5 years older than the Accord, and it's still a better vehicle. I'm not gettig into a dick measuring contest about it, I just think you're making blanket statements that add little or nothing to this topic.
And Nissan can't build a 4? The SR20 is a beautiful engine, that has capabilities for days. And the 4 banger in my Altima has held up beautifully for years. Shit, my Maxima is my beater winter car with a shitpot of miles on it, and it still runs like a champ.
I am not a Honda hater, or a Nissan lover....I know what I own, and have owned, and know that I most likely will own Nissans in the future. I'm not raging on Hondas, I think they make cars that last, but they are far from the end all be all in comfort, performance, aesthetics.....etc....
Actually, someone wanted my Cavalier more, so I made sure I ordered an Acura Integra, cuz ya know every integra is a race car.....
You'll enjoy it. It has GREAT resale value, which should surprise you, coming from a Cavalier and all, since you won't have to PAY anybody to haul it away for you.
You'll also get quite used to being able to DRIVE everywhere you go, rather than riding the BUS.
I own an Altima, a Maxima, and an Accord. If you think the Altima is some slow piece, especially compared to an Accord, you really should drive both side by side. My Accord, even with VTEC yo, is a slug compared to either of my Nissans. My Altima is more comfortable, handles better, is quicker, and stops better than the Accord could dream of. The seats in the Accord are reason enough to trade it in. VTEC is a waste. My Maxima is 5 years older than the Accord, and it's still a better vehicle. I'm not gettig into a dick measuring contest about it, I just think you're making blanket statements that add little or nothing to this t opic.
And Nissan can't build a 4? The SR20 is a beautiful engine, that has capabilities for days. And the 4 banger in my Altima has held up beautifully for years. Shit, my Maxima is my beater winter car with a shitpot of miles on it, and it still runs like a champ.
I am not a Honda hater, or a Nissan lover....I know what I own, and have owned, and know that I most likely will own Nissans in the future. I'm not raging on Hondas, I think they make cars that last, but they are far from the end all be all in comfort, performance, aesthetics.....etc....
I don't dispute that the Accord is slow, doen't handle or brake like the Altima, and certainly not like the Maxima. I wouldn't buy one unless all I wanted was reliability.
I passed up the Accord V-6 for the GSR and I didn't go to Nissan b/c I didn't want to wait for either the new 3.5L Altima or Maxima to arrive. Nissan still feels crude compared to Honda and the ergonomics are worse as well. I also doubt the durability of Nissan's driveline, since my '96 Maxima broke a shift fork at 7K miles. The engine was great, however. The dash cracked around the cigarette lighter after 2 years from unplugging my cell phone., too.
Additional crude Nissan was my Father's '91 Pathfinder SE 5-spd. Leather seats fell apart after 6 years, tinny body.
Nissan can't build a 4 w/ the same output for displacement as can Honda.
Very little is being added to this topic, in general, especially by its progenitor, so I won't share the blame alone.
on the topic of x-drilled rotors cracking...yeah it can happen. i have personally never seen any of them cracked. but think about what could cause them to crack...being crossdrilled?
I know why cross drilled rotors crack. You may have to have taken some thermo classes to understand completely, but here goes.
Very, very simply, cracking is metals way of relieving stress. The stress in brake rotors builds up from the thermal heat cycles the rotor undergoes.
1) Without teaching the class and booring everyone, just trust me here: Cracks love to form and propogate from sharp edges. When you drill one hole in a vented rotor, you are creating 4 sharp edges. Casting holes in the rotors like Porsche does help. Chamfering the holes you drill helps, although you can't do the 2 sharp edges on the INside of the rotors. Heat treating, cryo cooling it all helps, but doesn't eliminate it. Especially when you factor in my 2nd point.
2) Inconsistent cooling: As simply as I can put it, the metal in the rotor IMMEDIATELY surrounding the hole cools at a faster rate than the metal not immediately surrounding the hole. This is a temperature gradient. Temp gradients lead to stress. Remember what I said about how a metal relieves stress? Cracking...at sharp edges...that you created by drilling into the rotor.
Viola, cracked rotors.
But that's not my beef, it's Cobras. I will never take x-drilled rotors on track because of the cracking. 99.99% of the Altima owners here will never see the track and therefore, will not see the extreme temps. So, it is certainly possible your rotors may wear out and get thrown away before they fail.
My whole problem is the performance "gain". As I said, show me the test data. And not from the assclowns at Super Street either. They can fvck up a test worse than Sport Compact. And don't spew advertising drivel either. Tests. Data. No more, no less.
-The holes where developed in the 50s for pads that out-gassed easily.
- Modern brake pads do no do this like they did in the 50s.
- Drilling holes solves a problem that NO LONGER EXISTS, especailly on the street. There is no out-gassing from modern carbon-metallic brake pads on a trip to the mall.
- If your brakes are fading under normal street use, you need better brake pads. They're a hell of a lot cheaper than drilled rotors.
I cannot make it any more simple than that. If you can't comprehend what I just said, you are hopelessly close-minded or dumb as a damn rock.
Nissan can't build a 4 w/ the same output for displacement as can Honda.
Yes they can. They just refuse to bring it over to the US. They make 1.6L and 2.0L answer to VTEC.
SR20VE: 186 hp (old number, might be more now, I dunno), and more torque than a Type R could ever dream of having. Mmm, mmm, good. THAT is the engine they should have put in the Spec-V. I *think* the 1.6L version makes 180, but obviously much less torque. I'll check into those numbers and get back to you if anyone cares.
ok, so you guys know about brakes...and your opinions are expressed very elloquently. Great. Seriously, thanks for the info, facts, opinions, etc.
But I'm certain your knowledge is not limited to brakes and braking components so 'What else you got?'. I'm sure there are other topics discussed on this board that bug the shit out of you.
I'm up for a new topic.....I think we've beaten this one to death.
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