Originally posted by jethro_13 I'm up for a new topic.....I think we've beaten this one to death.
Sure, I'm game. The predominant thinking on this board seems to be "They wouldn't make a product and sell it if it didn't function in some special manner". The thought that something looks different without having any unique functionality, and that a look is the only reason that the product is made, seems to have escaped many of you guys. That situation is all too readily taken advantage of by people like our friend and master of marketing; nissanlunatic, who's sig is one step away from being a pop-up ad.
Given that "no manufacturer would make a "performance" product lacking in performance" seems to be an axiom of this board, I would enjoy discussing the finer points of this item:
Originally posted by Cobra In any event we are talking about racing applications where rotors ARE NOT turned.
What made you think Alex was trying to sell these rotors to racers who are worried about slamming their car into a wall at 150mph? This is an ==>ALTIMA<== board. I think his main points were that his brakes squeeked less and the rotors looked nice. Cobra, one of your own posts had a quote saying crossdrilled and slotted rotors were fine for normal use.
I'm a degreed engineer, so I've taken my share of physics, chemestry, mechanics and thermo classes, and the scientific theory in your first post is dead on from what I can see... But you went and mucked it all up with 'fvck' this and assclown that. That's a shame, cause maybe Alex woulda listened to you if you hadn't tried to rip him to shreds and insult him at every chance. So what if he hasn't taken Thermo 2 at MIT, that doesn't mean he's a bad guy.
If you want to teach, teach and *many* of us will listen. If you want to rip people to shreds and write posts that I wouldn't want my kid to see, please go somewhere else.
I'm sure there are other topics discussed on this board that bug the shit out of you.
Excessive lowering of a car with limited suspesion travel is at the top of my list.
Typical senario: Altima owner buys springs. Owner installs springs, but is unhappy at only the 1.75" drop. Owner removes springs, cuts a coil and a half, then reinstalls springs. Owner brags about how phat and tite his ride is now, although a little rough and bouncy. Two weeks later, owner wonders why shocks are blown and car now drives/handles like crap.
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If you want to teach, teach and *many* of us will listen.
I'm trying.....
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Those douchebags.
Primary among the resons they will not bring those engines over is the emmissions. The SR engine is a closed deck, which aren't to emmision friendly. The SR20 went through several head and cam changes over it's 10 years here in order to keep ahead of the tightening standards. I guess they got tired of tweeking it and developed a new open deck engine like Honda.
jvh78: Perhaps the name-calling was a bit much but I get pissed off when I see inaccurate info being thrown around for uninformed ears to hear it.
In any event - we were not talking about racing rotors until Alex brought it up somewhere on page 2. I didn't post until page 3.
What I don't understand is this whole "your points are good, tech is solid and you know your shit but as long as you are calling people names no one will listen" crap. Why is that? The name calling obligates you to think I am an asshole, dickhead, prick or whatever else you want but the tech is sound whether I call you an assclown or not.
The bottom line is that if you guys want to learn, take my posts and research what I have discussed. If you want to be lemming and follow your leader into the ocean - without remembering you can't swim - then keep taking things on blind faith. Learning is a challenge. You have to work at it. I urge you all to try it sometime.
Finally - what about that wing - what does it do for performance?
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Originally posted by Cobra How will a brake system not being broken in properly cause a rotor to crack?
In any event we are talking about racing applications where rotors ARE NOT turned. They are used for a few weekends and then thrown out. I want to know how drilling and/or slotting DOES NOT weaken the rotor. I can tell you how it does but that isn't what I need to know.
I have a bowl haircut, some people shave their heads....
I prefer cheese pizza, some might like veggies on their's.
Would you make fun of people for their likes and dislikes? If you do, you have other issues, but hopefully you understand that personal preference is just that, personal....To each his own.
Obviously ya'll, speaking to the newer memebers posting in this thread, built your cars for racing. Be it bracket, SCCA, street...what have you. No one has knocked on your preference for racing.
Maybe you didn't notice it, but there is a large group of people that build their cars for show purposes. They aren't out to race everyone they see. They build their cars up to make themselves happy, to show off their own personal style.
I hate things, take WWF for example. But I realize it's bigger than life, and people love it. I learn to deal and accept it. I don't have to like it, but why fight a losing battle?
You bring Donnie's car, the yellow one, into the mix. You want to knock it because you think it's overdone and has useless parts.?
It's Donnie's car, he spent his money on it specifically for show use, and he never asked you, me, or him for money or opinion on it. Obviously someone likes it, judging by the trophies he owns.
Again, I am impressed by some of the knowledge that has been brought up in this thread. I am truly unimpressed by some of the juvenile comments thrown in from the peanut gallery. I don't discredit your experiences or knowledge for calling people assclowns or what have you, but I do discredit your integrity and self worth if you feel the need to bust on people to make your point.
Why bring Donnie's car into this? This was first and foremost a brake discussion. No one asked for your opinions on show cars. Donnie never asked if you liked his wing. Unless you're a judge at Nopi, I doubt he gives two shits what you, or anyone on this board, thinks of his wing or exhaustS.
Again, stick to the subjects, and learn to get your point across without having to call out names.
I am not trying to preach. I am guilty of being a jackass on here myself. There are many people that don't like me, and that's understandable. But when someone asks me for technical advice, and I know something on the subject, I try and explain and educate as much as possible, while choosing my words carefully.
You need to realize that as distant as some people are on this board, many never meeting, there are people that consider one another good friends, almost family. and when you come into someone else's "house" and attack his or her "family" you are not going to get a very warm welcome. I consider Alex a good friend. I don't care if he was right or wrong in this brake discussion...he is still a friend. I am open to learning all that and then some, but you loose a large chunk of your possible audience when you open your discussion with put downs and name calling.
And Donnie is one of the most knowledgable, friendly people on this board. He has been here helping people for some time. His car was the first to be a full on show car. And that's exactly what it is, a show car. I highly doubt you would ever see that car on a track or racing down a street. Parked, waxed, ready for the show is more likely.
So, your ideas and experiences are more than welcome, but let's try and keep the flaming to the Off Topic forum and the technical discussions in the technical areas. You want to bust on people's cars, take it out of here. There is a lot of very useful knowledge in this thread, that many people would find very educational, but it will most likely be overlooked due to the page after page of flaming.
Excessive lowering of a car with limited suspesion travel is at the top of my list.
Typical senario: Altima owner buys springs. Owner installs springs, but is unhappy at only the 1.75" drop. Owner removes springs, cuts a coil and a half, then reinstalls springs. Owner brags about how phat and tite his ride is now, although a little rough and bouncy. Two weeks later, owner wonders why shocks are blown and car now drives/handles like crap.
preaching to the choir there bro. I don't why they do it either. I'm sure they're after that "phat" look. I do it to attain a lower center of gravity. But I also understand that in doing that, I need to tighten up my suspension travel, thus ensuring my tires stay in contact w/ the road. (This is a blanket statement...I know there are other factors to consider) Why do I not lower my car more than 1.3"??Because nobody makes suspension components for the Altima that will adequately handle a lower drop.
Originally posted by Cobra jethro: Do you want me to list the things that piss me off and you can close your eyes and point to one so we can discuss it or what?
fair enough. I just thought there might be something else in the forefront of your mind. Just trying to pick your brain is all...
Peterson: I understand you're trying to make a point, but I'm sorry, you're not going to change their approach to discussion/debate...they've proved that over and over again. I personally don't agree with it but that's how they convey their message. I just filter out the belittlement and take only the substance. Afterall, they don't know anyone here personally so in the end, it's just words. It's easy to get wrapped up in emotions but that only serves as a distraction from education.
What I've learned most in my short tenure on this board and in life in general is that thick skin reigns supreme.
Maybe you didn't notice it, but there is a large group of people that build their cars for show purposes. They aren't out to race everyone they see. They build their cars up to make themselves happy, to show off their own personal style.
These are the majority of the guys that rev on you at the stoplight...or are at the track taking up space to run a 19 sec 1/4 mile. Therre is nothing wrong with modding your car the way you want....but don't try to think you are Fast and Furious in Mom's hand me down. I think that is where frustration sets in. I think kthe point of this thread has dwindled, and the tech points have been made..
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Because nobody makes suspension components for the Altima that will adequately handle a lower drop.
www.motivational.net. They make short body struts that give you suspension travel so you can lower the car *and* have a car that rides worth a damn. I've asked them, they make shortened front struts for the Altima.
www.motivational.net. They make short body struts that give you suspension travel so you can lower the car *and* have a car that rides worth a damn. I've asked them, they make shortened front struts for the Altima.
nice find. time to do some research and get educated. Indulge me for a second though if you will. Why would you not want rears as well?
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