I'm new to Nissan Club, and im picking up my B13 on Monday, it will be my first Nissan. I wanted to save up for the new B15,'s but herd that the 6spd wasn't smooth it had problems, and i just did not like the new 2007 nissan sentra looks like a lunch box.
I love the Maxima's, but being a student i could not afford to drive the maxima everyday, because gas prices are insane, and i rather have a old junk to drive everday than a show car only on weekends, because im a hardcore driving enthusiast, i beat on my cars but maintain them very well. That being said, i love the Nissan engines, sweet sound, better than honda vtec, this is comming from a person who's only driven Honda's. Though when bying a car for fun i wanted to get a nice powerful Doch engine, also because Doch are usually smoother between gear shifts and they also climb rpms smoothly, unlike Soch which jerk when you slack shifting gears or obrutly let of the gas at high rpm and don't change to a next gear.
I wanted to know a little about the B13 sentra. The one i will be getting is a 1994 Nissan Sentra 1.6ltr Twin Cam 16 valve SE 2DR.
Questions
1. The Twin Cam is it the same as a Doch engine?
2. Is the engine code for this car ending with a DE or SE, D-code usually means Doch, i think.
3. If the Twin Cam engine is the same as the Doch, what is the difference just the name or the way they work?
4. Will the Twin Cam actually have Two Cams or One Cam, or what i think that Doch has camshafts side by side, and Twin Cam same thing but one Camshaft on top of the other , i.e horizontal vs lingitudenal, im i close?
5. i have one problem usually people have problems deciding what engine to put in, but mine is more simply, with a complex decision, the B13 i got was owned by old people and they were the first owners, they traded it in at the dealer who sold it to me as a trade in car,for 1500CDN, i got the car fax and everything the car is all legit, because it only has 80,000 miles, but you can tell its original because when you lift the hood its like brand new, and the car runs very smooth, but i have one problem, i admit i didnt get to blast the car down a empty road, since it did not have an rpm cluster gauge, i floored it from 0-40kmh or 0- 26mph and changed to second letting it role, i was not excited at all, it had no engine grunt or anything, it sounded like a full stock 1990 Soch engine, so i was like ahh screw it im not bying it, but then two people showed up one from another province and one from like a 8hours away drive, but they both called but what happened, i never called but showed up before the other two, i didn't call because during negotiations the dealer becomes an ass because he know you called and you really want the car, anyways my problem is i didn't like the engine rpm smoothness and the lack of a vvl or vtec type or even a engine sound, it just sounded like nothing, so i finally bought it knowing how good of a deal it was that even after two years i could sell it for more than i bought it. But i wanted to put a new engine like the sr20ve, but it would cost almost 3grand for the whole thing engine labour tuning etc, so i was thinking since the original engine is almost like new, what could i do to it in $2000 for now to make it run or atleast unleash some power out of the 1.6ltr Twin Cam, or will i be waisting money????
Keeping in mind, im into circuit racing and auto-x, more than Drag. i will be fully satified with a 14.9 1/4 car, thats enough go fast fo me to beat drivers on the street and on the race track, i know because i used to out run the older rx-7's and the new mustangs on highways and street running between cars, with a 16.9 second 1990 hb, which is very slow but i had the best suspension setup ever, about $4,000 worth.
However, comming back to the Sentra...
6. The car is obviously cable cluth, but when i shifted to third it hesitated when shifted fast, could it be because im not used to the angle of the gears that i shift, or the cluth is going, or transmission teeth for the thrid gear is gone, or the transmission bushings, it almost seemed like if i put 3rd in slowly it went but if i tried it merely fast like moderately, it didn't want to go in 3rd, but it eventually did, and i felt like im holding the stick and i feel like somthing hits the bottom of the stick like a small pellet like ball loose inside the transmission. And if there is any problem how can i make the gears really shift smooth like butter, the dealer told me the car had been siting for 8months, though i don't mind spending $400 to make the transmission really smooth so i can shift fast, i need that fir the circuit on turns and all.
Im not into Drag races/ because it lasts 15sec less or more, and requires no driver skill, but how much money you have, no offense to others, its just my opinion, i like going on a circuit track, and racing other cars trying to catch them with my underpowered car or stay on their tail, and see my skills, and then go back and see what i really need now to go faster. Although if my car is fast enough i might just have little fun on the highway, but not crazy about it, where i live the cops have the right to impound the car right away, and since my car is a old 1994 they usually write-it off, and i'd rather go 2 hours away to a track and pay 20buks than risk having no FUN car, even if doing that is a pain in the ass.
7. Anyways my final question, the gas pedal the brake pedal are really close together, the dealer told me they can be adjusted, but i really like to know if thats true, because while making my final purchase decision i totally forgot about that problem, and its really bad, because im, 5,11 almost tall i guess, and i wear boots, and its near impossible to do so with those shoes but even without that its very risky, can i adjust the gas pedal to move more right and the brake pedal a bit more left to the centre?
I know i may seem picky with these small problems, but i've owned Honda's that just made me hate the tuning part as so many things always went wrong, but with this car everything is like new, i mean really new, but the things i have to use to operate the vehicle are messed up which cannot be ignored.
Thanks for any input please try to answer anyone of or all my questions, i really need to know before i invest tuning, money into it.
in nissan engine codes, ending in DE means DOHC with electronic fuel injection
and Twin Cam = DOHC
16 valves can be SOHC or DOHC or OHV (on a V-8)
Cams are always side by side
pedals aren't adjustable without using the hot wrench.
if you want a faster car, start with a faster car.
the GA16DE is a decent motor, but not a fun motor IMO. It's loud and far from smooth when pushed.
Buy it, drive it, get reasonable mileage and reliability, just don't expect to win ANY races.
hey thanks alot for the info, although im disappointed in the engine stuff you told me, i will do like you said drive it till i can get the nissan performance motor, i was thinking of what you said start with a fast motor, which i have done before, but this time round i may have screwed up, but like always i will have to do an engine mods i guess. here's the link to my cardomain site, you can see why i was so tempted to buy it for only $1,500 canadian.
This is as close as I could find to something that may help you...
"If you are a Nissan enthusiast curious about SR20DET performance or a B12 owner starving for more power, you have definitely come to the right place. Stay tuned to Project B12 SR20DET for future updates, which will include upgrades to the fuel and turbo-charging system, a trick rear disc brake conversion, and of course more video of the Sentra in action."
actually scc mag did a build up on a ga16de sentra a few years back with some actually pretty decent results... first of it started with a base dyno of 91 hp.... they installed a header, cai, underdrive pulley, cat back exhaust, and a jim wolf technology (jwt)ecu.... they put down 108hp... i admit 108 hp don't sound like much but thats only the peak increase they said it was also a far fatter more usable power band which made the car a whole lot more fun to drive.... one other thign to remember is that that was on a OBDII engine... you have an OBDI engine which means your engine should responde even better to those same mods... also if your serious about making more power with it don't forget to consider the JWT cams on top of all those other mods would make for a real entertaining daily driver thats still gonna sip fuel when you keep your foot out of it.. yet fast enough to have fun in the corners.... then there is always suspesion work and that you have to remember its not gonna be a rocket but it can be fun to drive... also with that engine you have to remember rpms are gonna be your friend... and if by that time its still not fast enough pull it out sell it and by an sr20de and drop that in...
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haha..I really get a kick out of people trying to turn the KA into some kind of high revving monster,like power is going to mysteriously appear because you add short runners on the mani,high compression pistons yadda yadda yadda...like these things havent been discussed to no end.
Everyone who is serious about having a "fast" KA is either FI or N20 equipped.SHAWN is the exception to that though.
Get a used JDM SR20DE for $400 US. with about $2000 of bolt ons, you will hit the high 14's if you are a good driver.
Jwt S4 cams
Jwt Springs/retainers
Fidanza Flywheel
SSAC 2.5 header
Act Clutch
Vrs 2.5 exhaust
Calum or Jwt ECU
4 or 2 UR pulley set
Good high traction tires.(assuming you have a good suspension set up)
Should give you about 165-170ish whp.
ps...u can not adjust the pedals to my knowledge...im 5'11 too and have not problems driving my B13.
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in nissan engine codes, ending in DE means DOHC with electronic fuel injection
and Twin Cam = DOHC
16 valves can be SOHC or DOHC or OHV (on a V-8)
Cams are always side by side
pedals aren't adjustable without using the hot wrench.
if you want a faster car, start with a faster car.
the GA16DE is a decent motor, but not a fun motor IMO. It's loud and far from smooth when pushed.
Buy it, drive it, get reasonable mileage and reliability, just don't expect to win ANY races.
Um I have cone filter/header/exhaust/timing advance on my 1.6L sentra and I've beaten an eclipse, a 1989 240sx hatch, and a 2006 1.8 sentra. I can do 0-60 in high 7 seconds. And my exhaust and engine noise isn't raspy, it's a very low deep sound. And yes it still gets 29 mpg city driving. Yes I admit most 1.6L sentras are slow, but there are some like mine that run so good like new and with plenty of torque in the lower end for daily driving.
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^^^ I have to agree these 1.6s actually can be quite fun to drive... i just installed a short ram intake on my 94 5spd sentra with a 1.6 and i have to say it really makes me look forward to doing more mods.... yes its not the fastest engine but its much rev happier then the modded KA i used to have and i had a light flywheel on that.... but with basic bolt ons and the jwt ecu its been proven to put down close to 120hp at the wheels now you think about that a lil bit thats pretty much close to a stock sr20de powered sentra puts down to the wheels not to mention it would have a ton better throttle response and much more usable power then the stock sr20... have to say honestly can't beat that besides you can still pull 30+mpg with it.. hell even with my intake and beating on it a bit i'm still pulling 36mpg with mine.... I'd say if your looking to have fun and mod and plan on keeping it as your daily driver.. stick the basics in and maybe a set of jwt cams and have some fun... besides with a lil suspension work and a modded 1.6 it would be a fairly fun lil car to go spend a day at the local road course and you wouldn't have to spend a lot of money to do such...
So hmm, I beat my brother's 1996 non turbo mitsubishi 3000GT yesterday. I won twice from a stop sign launch, and lost once from late reaction on a green light. I admit the sentra is slow as hell in stock form, but my car vs when I first got it is a major difference. It no longer feels like a sentra. Anyways, keep modding with just bolt ons and you won't regret it.
hey thanks alot for the info, although im disappointed in the engine stuff you told me, i will do like you said drive it till i can get the nissan performance motor, i was thinking of what you said start with a fast motor, which i have done before, but this time round i may have screwed up, but like always i will have to do an engine mods i guess. here's the link to my cardomain site, you can see why i was so tempted to buy it for only $1,500 canadian.
cardomain com/ride/2665090
SCC did an extensive mods to a GA16, check out Sport Compact Car's site. You can get pretty far with it compared to stock, but w/o Nitrous or similar, it's woefully underpowered compared to a stock SR20DE. I think they just broke 100-110 whp.
Biggest bang for the buck and a very common B13 swap is just the SR20DE. Not very expensive, and B13 SE-R's which came with the motor are hard to find in good shape. Plus with a swap you may be able to get a motor with a lot less mileage (as in under 30-50k miles). Here I can pick up an SR20DE for under $1000 USD easily. SR20VE is another option, about 180 crank hp before you do anything to it. Costs a bit more, too, and is a newer generation motor.
Plenty of good bolt-on performance available with I/H/E and cams, ECU, you should be able to get up to around 165 whp. That may not sound like a lot, but keep in mind this is a pretty light car.
Suspension mods are very plentiful, too. Only thing I would caution is I don't recall if the B13 non-SE-R's had fully independent rear suspension - am pretty sure they did.
You can have a lot of fun with this vintage - check here:
Um I have cone filter/header/exhaust/timing advance on my 1.6L sentra and I've beaten an eclipse, a 1989 240sx hatch, and a 2006 1.8 sentra. I can do 0-60 in high 7 seconds. And my exhaust and engine noise isn't raspy, it's a very low deep sound. And yes it still gets 29 mpg city driving. Yes I admit most 1.6L sentras are slow, but there are some like mine that run so good like new and with plenty of torque in the lower end for daily driving.
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^^^ I have to agree these 1.6s actually can be quite fun to drive... i just installed a short ram intake on my 94 5spd sentra with a 1.6 and i have to say it really makes me look forward to doing more mods.... yes its not the fastest engine but its much rev happier then the modded KA i used to have and i had a light flywheel on that.... but with basic bolt ons and the jwt ecu its been proven to put down close to 120hp at the wheels now you think about that a lil bit thats pretty much close to a stock sr20de powered sentra puts down to the wheels not to mention it would have a ton better throttle response and much more usable power then the stock sr20... have to say honestly can't beat that besides you can still pull 30+mpg with it.. hell even with my intake and beating on it a bit i'm still pulling 36mpg with mine.... I'd say if your looking to have fun and mod and plan on keeping it as your daily driver.. stick the basics in and maybe a set of jwt cams and have some fun... besides with a lil suspension work and a modded 1.6 it would be a fairly fun lil car to go spend a day at the local road course and you wouldn't have to spend a lot of money to do such...
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So hmm, I beat my brother's 1996 non turbo mitsubishi 3000GT yesterday. I won twice from a stop sign launch, and lost once from late reaction on a green light. I admit the sentra is slow as hell in stock form, but my car vs when I first got it is a major difference. It no longer feels like a sentra. Anyways, keep modding with just bolt ons and you won't regret it.
Hey guys its been a long time, i completely forgot about this site, but its almost a year later, and im smiling since day 1.
I ended getting Ractive Superflow CAI, Advance timing +15,hotshot header,UR pulleys,full borla custom exhaust, NGK spark plugs, Fidanza Flywheel,port & polish,Centerforce stage 2 clutch kit,JWT cams,ECU tune, Phantom Grip, Bride Tach,After market steering wheel, and i was killing every honda out there , i even walked tuned G20's at 140km plus, fastest track time i ever had was 13.9 i was about 189hp, this may be also because my engine was so new, i also later realized my Ga16de is a VTC, and wow everyone just can't believe how my low hp car owns 200 +hp cars, i became the envy of my meets, not because my car is flashy, but because no one including me ever thought such hp could feel like twice itself, by then time i had 110 hp, i was already beating 160 hp civics, and people didn't believe i only had 108 hp.lol its weired how this cars hp is so well used.
i love this car, thanks guys, and you guys are right this car is sick, not the fastest, but DAMM fun! modding this car was likethe secret to fun on budget.
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