This is the point I've been making for years!!! The aftermarket for these cars is really lame compared to many other cars. It's what has convinced me to not mod this vehicle beyond intake and exhaust. Every other car I've owned had decent, if not great, modding potential (some from the manufacturer).
Me and you see eye to eye on many things, and this is one of them. None of this surprises me one bit. I haven't been keeping up with this but i briefly skimmed through this thread. The company needs a certain amount of committed people to purchase this manifold or any other product well in a advance in a fair size quantity for them to even build it. It makes no sense for a company to build these products with no true buyers. The intake could produce 40whp. If the price were set at around $1000, the manifold becomes a bargain at my eyes, but to many people on here it becomes just another over priced item that won't sell until it comes down in price. Sure, as said, many people want certain things but when it comes time to put up the money, there is suddenly no one around. I'm very surprised the 3rd generation altima community is even getting some of these products that are even out despite the low amount of consumers. The price does dictate alot of the sales but some things deserve to command a premium because of the innovation. To my eyes, i don't see too many more products being offered for the 3rd gen altimas if they don't already share a counterpart with something else.
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Last edited by Alex@DavesMechanic : 10-10-2005 at 10:27 PM.
^I agree with most of that, for sure. However, when you say "some things deserve to command a premium because of the innovation" I disagree. Sometimes with a new product, you have to take an upfront loss to reap the benefits down the road. Micro$oft and their Xbox are a prime example, where they lost money on every console and made up for it later on. I know, not EXACTLY the same situation but it proves my point. Customers like myself don't want to hear that we have to pay for the development and then find out 6 months later the same product is being sold for $400 less.
I do see what you're trying to say, though. It's sort of like the electronics industry. I remember when VCR's came out and were ridiculously high priced. Or plasma screens were $20,000 7-8 years ago and now they're a little more than $3000. But that also goes back to what I'm saying: the majority of consumers, like me, refuse to buy until the price goes down.
in my case I buy thing no matter what the price is. If I need it I'll buy it. If I don't have the money I'll make an effort to get it. so Basically those people that complain cause there is no aftermarket and don't pay the price looks like women going to a supermarket. is like when you buy a 2006 when we are on 2005. you pay a little more but you have the ride that you wanted right away.
I'll say it again. depends also on the gains.
20 whp for 600 is a good price. 30 whp for 800 sounds like a deal.
in my case I buy thing no matter what the price is. If I need it I'll buy it. If I don't have the money I'll make an effort to get it. so Basically those people that complain cause there is no aftermarket and don't pay the price looks like women going to a supermarket. is like when you buy a 2006 when we are on 2005. you pay a little more but you have the ride that you wanted right away.
I'll say it again. depends also on the gains.
20 whp for 600 is a good price. 30 whp for 800 sounds like a deal.
But that's you and you're in the minority. It wouldn't be a problem for me to throw $1k or $2k towards mods. Not a problem in the least. But I'm talking about the cost/benefit ratio. 20hp for $600? That's getting close to worth it but not quite there for me, not when I compare intakes on other engines that have gains of twice that. There are more folks that think that way than your way.
Women? Nah, just plain common sense.
Anyhow, let's see what they come up with. Maybe my concerns are all for nothing. All I know is, that 350Z intake looks good as hell.
I paid $550 for a set of Hotshot headers and $200 for a catback system and that combined with an intake I made myself netted me a 1 second and 11 mph in the 1/4 mile. For $750 for something that was supposed to be approx 20 HP I think thats a steal.
I will be first in line for an intake with promises of 20 HP for the same amout of money.
I paid $550 for a set of Hotshot headers and $200 for a catback system and that combined with an intake I made myself netted me a 1 second and 11 mph in the 1/4 mile. For $750 for something that was supposed to be approx 20 HP I think thats a steal.
I will be first in line for an intake with promises of 20 HP for the same amout of money.
I paid $550 for a set of Hotshot headers and $200 for a catback system and that combined with an intake I made myself netted me a 1 second and 11 mph in the 1/4 mile. For $750 for something that was supposed to be approx 20 HP I think thats a steal.
I will be first in line for an intake with promises of 20 HP for the same amout of money.
man, i seriously dunno how u do it. most VQ35 autos i see at cayuga run low 15s.
u ran 14.8 on ur 03 stock i believe? and 13.9 with "just I/H/E/safc piggyback" on streets, while 13.3@101mph on slicks with the same mods?
stock trans, no manually shifting either, from what i hear over @the org?
since most 3.5 autos with the same mods run 14.2-5.....
im lil outdated here, but basically we have the crawford plenum in the works? but that is only the upper or lower part, where is the intake manifold from ssv basically includes both?
and then we have this cp-e from while back that supposingly increases the maf flow?
man, i seriously dunno how u do it. most VQ35 autos i see at cayuga run low 15s.
u ran 14.8 on ur 03 stock i believe? and 13.9 with "just I/H/E/safc piggyback" on streets, while 13.3@101mph on slicks with the same mods?
stock trans, no manually shifting either, from what i hear over @the org?
since most 3.5 autos with the same mods run 14.2-5.....
whats your secret?
I don't know of any other auto's that have HS Headers, catback and slicks (22") except for one other guy on the org who I copied (blubyu2k2) and he ran 13.5 I believe. I also ran a 12.2 on a 70 shot of spray and most guys are lucky if they get 13's. The 22" slicks are the biggest advantage I have over most guys, currently I have 24.5's which I got after the 22's wore out and average around 13.7-13.8 so I already have another set of 22's for next year.
No secrets, I also did this on a leased car which is going back this month so mods were minimal.
I currently have a Altima 3.5 engine in my workshop with less than 10k km on it which is going into my old 95 auto for next year with a lot of weight reduction and if it doesn't do 12's I will let you all beat me with a wet noodle.
I guess is one of those cars. I know I can do at least 13.5 on nitrous with street tires. it's been raining everyday for the last 2 months so no opportunity to go. I'm installing the cp-e intake and recharge the bottle. let's see If I can do a better time. You seem to know how to tune your ride to be right on the 1/4 mile. what do you use? wideband?
Last edited by virgilio7 : 10-11-2005 at 02:22 PM.
im lil outdated here, but basically we have the crawford plenum in the works? but that is only the upper or lower part, where is the intake manifold from ssv basically includes both?
and then we have this cp-e from while back that supposingly increases the maf flow?
CP-E Increases air volume, thus reducing velocity, ergo (in theory) protecting your MAF from burnout due to high air velocities that it was not designed for. I'm on my Orig OEM MAFS from 2002, with this CP-E intake. no issues what-so-ever. I punch it quite frequently.
I guess is one of those cars. I know I can do at least 13.5 on nitrous with street tires. it's been raining everyday for the last 2 months so no opportunity to go. I'm installing the cp-e intake and recharge the bottle. let's see If I can do a better time. You seem to know how to tune your ride to be right on the 1/4 mile. what do you use? wideband?
I do use a wideband but its more of a safety item for me vs performance. I run 12.5:1 N/A and between 11-11.5:1 on spray.
My racing is 99% bracket so I am looking more for consistency than flat out performance. I have made well over 200 passes this year and approx 150 last year so longevity is important to me. Even my auto tranny has taking all the punishment although it is not any where near as fast shifting as the old 95 was.
Also this is my 3rd Maxima and I do not believe in factory freaks, they have all seemed to outperform. Must be my age and all the time I have to baby them.
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