I just read through all 12 pages of this and its kinda sorry to see all the negative feedback. I have never used a setup like this before , but over the past week or so I have spent a LOT of time looking in to this and you might not want to dismiss this without even knowing anything about it. It sux that he spent close to a grand on his rig cause it looks like they're not that hard ,or expensive to just build yourself.
It's a long read (194 pages), but its very detailed and there are plenty of pictures to easily explain whats involved.
All in all it looks like you can put one of these together for about $150. While a 200% gain in fuel efficiency is probably an unrealistic goal, even an increase of 30%-50% would defiantly be a relief with gas at $4.30 a gallon
you stated that you read all 12 pages of this thread , did you , really ? what about the part where he leans the air fuel ratio on his car , did you read that part ? did you read the part where i said fact that because his A/F ratio was so lean , which means less fuel mixed with the same amount of air , that means your using less fuel !!! and the little hydrogen generator is doing almost nothing must has slipped past you .
in reference to the part of your post that i high-lighted , you have a solid week of experience with this concept and we here know nothing about it , thats what you said , so let me put this in prospective for you , ok , follow , these hydrogen generators are very simple , its electrolysis of water , elementary school shit !!!
also , altering your A/F ratio without a meter to check it is stupid and can result in a blown motor , i guess you didn't look up that part , its called DETONATION .
FROM YOUR LINK (AT THE END) :
Very interesting studies carried out by Mr Masaru Emoto have shown that the thoughts of ordinary members of the public can alter the structure of water without there being any actual physical contact with the water. If the water receives positive thoughts and is then frozen, the resulting crystal structure will be like this:
SO NOW ARE WATER HAS FEELINGS , , FEELINGS
FROM YOUR LINK (AT THE END) :
While on the other hand, if negative thoughts are aimed at the water, whether just by looking at it and thinking, or by writing those thoughts down on paper, the resulting crystal shape is quite different when the water is frozen, as shown here:
SO NOW WATER CAN READ , READ , IT GETS BETTER PEOPLE ,
When Brown�s Gas is used as the gas to power a cutting torch (like an oxy-acetylene torch) the resulting flame is nearly colourless and can be waved across a bare hand without any ill effects - the hand is not burnt. But when applied to a fire brick which is intended to resist high temperatures, it burns a neat hole through it. It will vaporise a tungsten rod which normally takes 6,000oC to do that, which indicates that the flame temperature depends on what it touches (!).
A FLAME THAT WILL PICK THE THINGS IT BURNS I JUST SPILLED MY BEER , WELL ALMOST , MY BEER CHOSES WHAT IT WANTS TO BE SPILLED ON !!!
ARE YOU FUCI<ING KIDDING ME !!!
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Take a look at this site. I have done a lot of research on this stuff and it is a very good idea and might even work. You can buy the parts to make your own for rather cheap. The one problem that I found with the ones that are sold on the e-bay adds or what-not is that to get it to work more effeciantly and to give you enough hydrogen to make it even worth while you need to have them in series. The link i have has a lot of information in it so if you don't like reading wordy articles it has some pretty pictures for you guys too. I hope this helps and if you have any questions I'll try to help out but I am not sure how well this actually works. I am planning on making a series of 4 of them (cause that is going to be a good amount for a 4 cyl) or so this one forum said (can't remember what it was I'll try to find it) I might do it some day but hell I am lazy and don't have a lot of time.
I have done a lot of research on this stuff and it is a very good idea and might even work.
if you have any questions I'll try to help out
but I am not sure how well this actually works.
I might do it some day but hell I am lazy and don't have a lot of time.
here we go again "take a look at this site" like you found the holy grail and you want to share it , thanks skip . you have done alot of research , have you ? you say you did , you think its a good idea but then you say you don't think it will work ? which one is it ? lets make up our mind . well get off your lazy ass and make one , oh thats right you don't have time , but you had time to "do a lot of research"
here we go again "take a look at this site" like you found the holy grail and you want to share it , thanks skip . you have done alot of research , have you ? you say you did , you think its a good idea but then you say you don't think it will work ? which one is it ? lets make up our mind . well get off your lazy ass and make one , oh thats right you don't have time , but you had time to "do a lot of research"
ARE YOU FUCI<ING KIDDING ME !!!
Hey hey hey,
A. I never said it was the holy grail of anything.
B. I though it was interesting and it might help out some people that didn't want to waist their money on shit.
C. I work out of state all the time and don't have the time to work on my car as much as I want (not that it needs it) So that is the reason I don't just get off of my so called lazy ass and build one. I don't have the luxury when I am home to tinker with stuff like this. I am usually sitting in a hotel (which is why I find this useless information)
D. I never said I don't think it wouldn't work I said "it might work" meaning I don't know if it will or not. I saw videos of some home made videos on youtube of these thing working (we all know how reliable these things are) again this is why I say it might work. I would have to see it first hand. I just thought you might want to try and make one your own instead of buying a pop bottle and two wires that is going to give you 50% better gas mileage. (I don't think that is possible)
E. and before you start criticizing people at least get to know what their story is and start saying they are worthless pieces of crap that are trying to waste your time.
P.S. I am sorry for waisting your valuable time that you obviously have enough of to poke fun at other people for trying to add some information to the mix.
A. I never said it was the holy grail of anything.
B. I though it was interesting and it might help out some people that didn't want to waist their money on shit.
C. I work out of state all the time and don't have the time to work on my car as much as I want (not that it needs it) So that is the reason I don't just get off of my so called lazy ass and build one. I don't have the luxury when I am home to tinker with stuff like this. I am usually sitting in a hotel (which is why I find this useless information)
D. I never said I don't think it wouldn't work I said "it might work" meaning I don't know if it will or not. I saw videos of some home made videos on youtube of these thing working (we all know how reliable these things are) again this is why I say it might work. I would have to see it first hand. I just thought you might want to try and make one your own instead of buying a pop bottle and two wires that is going to give you 50% better gas mileage. (I don't think that is possible)
E. and before you start criticizing people at least get to know what their story is and start saying they are worthless pieces of crap that are trying to waste your time.
P.S. I am sorry for waisting your valuable time that you obviously have enough of to poke fun at other people for trying to add some information to the mix.
your friend,
"Skip"
i can google search this topic and find 20+ websites with this info , so thanks for posting a link to one of them but you never made one and you don't have any experience with these devices , so all your brining to the table is the info you read off your site thanks
its real funny or maybe just a coincidence that people write in this thread , posting links and making claims that are "new" to the forum , than after someone calls them out they don't post anymore and those people always seem to have just a few posts to begin with if any at all maybe i'm wrong , but i doubt it
your friend ,
jimnolimit
Last edited by jimnolimit : 06-28-2008 at 09:27 PM.
i can google search this topic and find 20+ websites with this info , so thanks for posting a link to one of them but you never made one and you don't have any experience with these devices , so all your brining to the table is the info you read off your site thanks
its real funny or maybe just a coincidence that people write in this thread , posting links and making claims that are "new" to the forum , than after someone calls them out they don't post anymore and those people always seem to have just a few posts to begin with if any at all maybe i'm wrong , but i doubt it
your friend ,
jimnolimit
I understand how you feel. This was the one web site that actually had some technical details. For instance what material to use and design details which are kind of hard to find in those 20 other sites.But I am a real member and just cause someone calls me out doesn't mean I am going to turn tail. But if I am wrong then I will admit it. I may be new to this forum but I am not new to Nissan's. I had a 97 atli with 275000 miles on it before some lady in a van decided that she didn't like the way the front end looked so hit me head on and now I have a 99 alti gle with a little over 200000 miles on the clock. I just can't kill these things. But that is a totally different thread. I guess what I am going to have to do with this is actually try and build one. If it works I'll let you know and if it doesn't then I will let you know also... But like I said earlier I need to get time to actually work on these things.
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the way these devices are suppose to work is that by leaning the A/F ratio you will save gas and to supplement the lost fuel with hydrogen . here's the problem , if you lean out the A/F then you might just wreck your engine , you can't just "wing-it" you would have to monitor the A/F with a O2 meter and some how make continuous adjustments . these hydrogen generators make hydrogen at a set rate but your car doesn't use fuel at a set rate and here is where the big problem is !!! these generator would have to be able to make hydrogen at different rates depending on the cars demand and make these changes in a fraction of a second !!! this is why when someone comes on here making some claims about shit that they don't know about i have to jump in !!! anyone who knows about some of the technical aspects of engines will raise the BS flag when they hear some nonsense .
I can't believe this conversation is still going on. I don't know what bothers me more - fact that someone actually paid $1000 for this or the fact that THIS SITE has a fucking banner ad advertising this shit. Only a guess here but I would not be surprised if new owner is taking part in this thing. At least that would explain the sponsor banner.
Holy fucking crap this site has gone down so far so fast...
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a friend of mine installed a boost gauge on his WRX..
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For all the people that are slamming this technology.. have any of you heard of Mythbusters?? you know the TV show where they PROVE or BUST myths and etc..
Well their web site actually has one of their sponsors as one of these sites about adding the HHO gas into your fuel etc... Now I do not think that they would have a sponsor like that if they did not believe it?
For all the people that are slamming this technology.. have any of you heard of Mythbusters?? you know the TV show where they PROVE or BUST myths and etc..
Well their web site actually has one of their sponsors as one of these sites about adding the HHO gas into your fuel etc... Now I do not think that they would have a sponsor like that if they did not believe it?
just a thought.
J
sponsorship is about revenue and ad space only !!! there have been ad's for stupid fake devices in/on many magazines , websites and tv shows of legitimate companies and reviewers !!! i could buy ad space on any site and advertise magic wands if i want , as long as i pay for the space .
A PAYED ADVERTISEMENT IS NOT , I REPEAT , IS NOT JUSTIFICATION THAT A PRODUCT WORKS !!!
DO YOU KNOW WHATS REALLY FUNNY , THAT THIS THREAD ATTRACTS MORE "FIRST TIME USERS" THAN ANY OTHER ON THIS SITE !!!
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also, if i recall correctly, mythbusters actually tested a hydrogen producing device, and it didnt do shit
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, they come here trying to act all "you can believe me , i have 1 post , don't you know me" 
, FEELINGS 
but you never made one and you don't have any experience with these devices , so all your brining to the table is the info you read off your site 
thanks 
that people write in this thread , posting links and making claims that are "new" to the forum , than after someone calls them out they don't post anymore 
I don't know what bothers me more - fact that someone actually paid $1000 for this or the fact that THIS SITE has a fucking banner ad advertising this shit. Only a guess here but I would not be surprised if new owner is taking part in this thing. At least that would explain the sponsor banner. 
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