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I would be interested in the comparison between the MPG of a full tank of gas without the product and then with the product. At 55MPH for a gallon or two isn't really conclusive enough for me.
Before you get this installed, take more meticulous notes of your driving habits over a couple tanks of gas and your MPG for each tank of gas. Then when you get the HAFC installed you will have more data to compare it too.
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"guaranteed 50% Savings Warrantee allows our valuable customers a full 2 weeks to evaluate the increased fuel economy on their vehicle only after it has been properly tuned by a certified mechanic.
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That is the warrantee that it comes with. if it was soo great. it would have a 5 year one or greater.
for 99% of all buyers. there is no way someone could test it correctly in 2 weeks. The way it is setup, they would never return your money back to you. If the system was so great, the president would order that all cars in the country had it installed. Well, since I havent' seen that happen. it's fake.
PS!!!! " properly tuned by a certified mechanic" WTH IS THIS! lmfao! so, are they giving a list of mechanics that we can use? or will the mechanics have to goto court to say they did it right?
scam.
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Before you get this installed, take more meticulous notes of your driving habits over a couple tanks of gas and your MPG for each tank of gas. Then when you get the HAFC installed you will have more data to compare it too.
I calculate my mileage on every tank and with normally about a 60/40 mix of highway/city driving I average around 21-23 MPG, filling up about every two weeks. Even if it's significantly higher than that, I'll be pleased.
Also, to "runcoolisback," you do receive a list of mechanics and tuners with the kit. There have been a few training sessions for any interested certified mechanic to become certified in the installation and/or tuning of this kit at multiple locations around the nation.
And in response to "the president would order that all cars in the country had it installed," if you're that f*cking ignorant to think that our king George Bush would ever do a thing to take money from the big oil companies that fund and support him with billions of dollars every year, I certainly do not envy what it must smell like where your head is surely lodged.
Big oil hates hybrids but they loves them some Bush (who, up until recently, denied gasoline engines' contribution to global warming). You barely have to have our president's meager IQ to deduce some sort of connection.
Let's get something straight: If this kit is BS, I'll be the first to say it, and I'll actually have the experience to make such a claim. But, don't sh*t on me for sticking my neck out and actually trying it.
Thanks for everyone else's support and I'll let you guys know how things are going as they progress.
I could do that.
I actually just got it in.
I'll try to take everything out of its box tomorrow probably and snap some pics with my phone. They might look crappy but you'll get the idea.
I'm excited for the outcome. Either way make sure that the word is out about this kit so others can save (depending on outcome) their money. I also looked into the acetone thing a month or so ago. Now you say it has worked on your vehicle for a while and no side effects so far? I want to start using it on my pop's camry. Thanks for testing out the kit for us and also for answering my acetone questions.
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Yeah, hopefully everything works out. I take heart, if for nothing else, in the fact that everything in the kit seems to be very well made and of sturdy quality. The red vaporizer, for example, I'm sure could be used to bludgeon someone to death, and the fuel cell feels like a brick or two as well.
i dont mean to sound pessimistic, but if this worked, as somebody else said, it'd be on the news, models of cars, etc. its not as though millions in grants, PhD's at uni's everywhere, fuel shortages in counties, fuel costs in Europe, and companies researching this stuff with biochem and mechanical engineers overlooked something a $1000 kit can do.
at most, i see this kit running the car a little leaner, which would result in slightly better mileage for a very short period of time. enough to make you wonder/keep testing outside their 2 week "guarantee" period. again, not to argue - but all of that stuff looks on par or no better at all than parts ive made and seen made for watercooled PC's. I could whip that stuff up in my garage in a few hours.. those tubes even look just like the ones from Lowes I use in my PC!
i'd love to be proved wrong. absolutely would love it. common sense alone would suggest i wont be though.
i dont mean to sound pessimistic, but if this worked, as somebody else said, it'd be on the news, models of cars, etc. its not as though millions in grants, PhD's at uni's everywhere, fuel shortages in counties, fuel costs in Europe, and companies researching this stuff with biochem and mechanical engineers overlooked something a $1000 kit can do.
at most, i see this kit running the car a little leaner, which would result in slightly better mileage for a very short period of time. enough to make you wonder/keep testing outside their 2 week "guarantee" period. again, not to argue - but all of that stuff looks on par or no better at all than parts ive made and seen made for watercooled PC's. I could whip that stuff up in my garage in a few hours.. those tubes even look just like the ones from Lowes I use in my PC!
i'd love to be proved wrong. absolutely would love it. common sense alone would suggest i wont be though.
They are actually planning to start advertising the product soon, I believe sometime the end of this month or early next. You're right though. I would love to have seen some publicity on this, but I figured, perhaps naively, that the money back guarantee was assurance enough and that persuaded me to buy it.
However, saying that leaning fuel will yield better mileage for a very short time I believe is false. Leaning the fuel will always yield better mileage, so long as the same volume of air is taken in by the engine. I agree that the stock ECM has a preset AFR that would negate the savings from leaning the fuel, by detecting a deviance from the 14.7:1 ratio and pumping more fuel regardless. However, the optomizer taps into the signals from the O2 and other sensors, allegedly allowing for a modified air to fuel ratio. This must be done for any significant gains because, unfortunately, the ECM doesn't implement sensors to detect if the car's running efficiently, only those to make sure it's running at preset conditions.
If I could have done this cheaper, then too bad for me, but I'd rather have the components professionally made to integrate with each other and my vehicle than piece a kit together and hope for the best.
I'm hopeful, yes, but as I said before, if I discover this to be a sham, I will be the first to admit my mistake.
i meant, based off the size of that "fuel cell" that the range you'll be running lean will be limited.
if you really want to save gas, get a 1.6L motor, put an aftermarket ECU/AFC on it and tune the thing to be 30hp.
my wife's 40 year old Karmann Ghia, carbeurated, gets 30+ mpg. It'll only get you there with it's roaring 62 hp, but it'll do so at an economic price..
i meant, based off the size of that "fuel cell" that the range you'll be running lean will be limited.
if you really want to save gas, get a 1.6L motor, put an aftermarket ECU/AFC on it and tune the thing to be 30hp.
my wife's 40 year old Karmann Ghia, carbeurated, gets 30+ mpg. It'll only get you there with it's roaring 62 hp, but it'll do so at an economic price..
Haha, yeah that would definitely work, but you may be preaching to the wrong crowd. We greedy tuners want it all; WHP and MPG.
I had a 94 Sentra with a 1.6L a few years ago and I was miserable driving it. Great mileage but no fun.
The fuel cell aims to produce 50-60L of water vapor per hour at 15 amps or less. I was told that The reservoir only needs to be refilled about every other tank of gas, and the caustic solution will last the lifetime of the car. A valid concern, as I am unsure whether 60L/hr will suffice. The manual says, however, that both sides of the fuel cell may be powered with a current for larger V6 and V8 engines to produce about 100-120L/hr at 30 amps, so that's always an option. I could do that if my big 2.4L I4 wasn't getting enough juice but it would be a bigger drain on my battery.
, looks interesting, hopefully everything goes to plan!
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