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radiator support replacement

ive seen different threads indicating that you may need to take out the engine and do some welding to make this replacement and another indicating no welding was used and the engine was not removed.

i have a 1994 Altima and was wondering what all needs removed and how difficult it is to replace the radiator support on that vehicle. Obviously the front bumper and radiator need removed, not sure beyond that how involved it is. I saw a replacement on ebay for $69 ( ebay link )

Here is a pic of my radiator support.

any info would be appreciated
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search jserrano,he did a write up and i have pics in my update pt2 thread, any question you may have just post in your thread and i'll rate it as a 7/10 to do



what it should look like after stripping the rad support down


and after its off
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Check rockauto.com as well, they have quality items with good prices.
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Check rockauto.com as well, they have quality items with good prices.
i checked there and certifit.com , rockauto was $55 but $80 to ship. and certifit was $55 as well, but i dont live close to one. ebay was only $24 but $45 to ship.

ill have to determine if this is something i can tackle or not. if someone could provide a high-level list of what steps have to be done, I can determine if I can do each of them. im most concerned with anything to do with the engine as that just sounds like something i wouldnt want to get in to.

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I believe you have to remove front bumper, grille,headlights,abs sensor and horn. And I'm sure theres other things beyond that I probably missed out. Theres some spot welding to do. Its time consuming so hope you start early if its your daily driver. I got mine from D&H Auto Parts.

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i have 2 young ones so i rarely get an uninterrupted day to do anything. if i got it completed in a week of evenings i would be happy. does the engine mount to it? has anyone tried the cheapo ebay one?

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I believe you have to remove front bumper, grille,headlights,abs sensor and horn. And I'm sure theres other things beyond that I probably missed out. Theres some spot welding to do. Its time consuming so hope you start early if its your daily driver. I got mine from D&H Auto Parts.
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i have 2 young ones so i rarely get an uninterrupted day to do anything. if i got it completed in a week of evenings i would be happy. does the engine mount to it? has anyone tried the cheapo ebay one?
I also have two young ones of my own so understand what your talking about. I just had mine done by the body shop and I did get mine on ebay.
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i have a ebay one and its good and strudy, and the steps are
tools needed 10mm/12/14/17/19 sockets and wrenchs and a sharp chisel and hammer or mallet(not rubber)

1.remove headlights and grill
2.bumper and all remaining lights in the front of car
3.bumper support
4.bumper support brackets
5.front tow hooks x2
6.power stering lines
7.air bag sensor(u need a t55 master torx bit)
8. horn
9. ac dryer
10.radiator and radiator brackets
11.ac condensor
12.hood latch
13. wiring harness
14.fenders and inner apron

i thinks thats about it,and if i had to do it for someone i would charge about $300.00
it should take about 1hr to strip the support bare,its the spot welds that took me 6hrs to remove,other than that its just time consuming and not all that hard it just was frustarting to me as hell,i left my car without the support on for a week cause i was pissed at it
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Its going to take a good day or so to remove everything plus the spot welds. Another thing, many radiator supports coming from China, like Certifit and others, are made with less steel metal so they are more fragile than the OEM.

Many radiator support are intact everywhere except the bottom center where it is covered in rust. I don't know whether its possible, but it would probably be less work and cost less, if you could get a body shop to cut only the bottom support off, and weld in just that piece from a new radiator support.

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i left my car without the support on for a week cause i was pissed at it
lol, i have done that many times before and can see how this repair would do that.

if you could ball park it, how many spot welds need removed?

which ebay seller did you get it from? im probably going to get the one from carpartsoutlet since it is the cheapest. they range from $70-$160 for a new one and i really dont see any differences from the descriptions.

ive read some other posts that suggest the car may be out of align and the fenders and bumper may not line up right after this replacement, if there's anything i can do to help prevent that, let me know.

im going to start working on this hopefully tomorrow, and im going to take some pictures to help me remember how to put everything back together, so ill start a thread and provide updates and details to maybe help out some one else. If I can do this, anyone can.
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50 plus spot welds
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I believe there are reasonably cheap drill attachments that make drilling out spot welds very easy.
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I believe there are reasonably cheap drill attachments that make drilling out spot welds very easy.
for $5, ill probably give this one a try.

3/8" Double Sided Rotary Spot Weld Cutter

or maybe something like this for $30:
Premium Spotweld Cutter with Skip-Proof Pilot Drill

( or when i get down to it, i may take jserrano's advice and see about replacing just the rusted area, tbd. )
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for $5, ill probably give this one a try.

3/8" Double Sided Rotary Spot Weld Cutter

or maybe something like this for $30:
Premium Spotweld Cutter with Skip-Proof Pilot Drill

( or when i get down to it, i may take jserrano's advice and see about replacing just the rusted area, tbd. )
f that just do the whole thing, welding it jus opens up the door for rust to form in another area
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i am a slacker, i still havent done this. between the list of steps from 94sealtima and this list posted below, i think i have a general idea what needs done. i have all the parts, just not all the time.

my question now is regarding the AC Condensor. Does it need discharged, removed?

i got a quote from 1 garage that it would be 10 hours labor, and a quote from another garage that it would be $675. So I guess Im going to have to try this myself. Both garages told me that I would have to remove and discharge the AC Condensor. However, from the steps below, it seems that may not be true.

Im looking for help from people who have tackled this, thanks.

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Remove bumper and all bumper reinforcements
Remove both front wheels


Remove wheel

fender liners
Remove headlights

Power steering lines will need to be detached and reattached, get ready to get PS fluid.

AC condenser/Radiator can be left hooked up, however you'll need to remove the mounting screws to the AC condenser.

Unbolt the 2 17MM bolts holding the radiator support from bottom.
3 more on each side of the support.

Here comes the fun part.

Break out your air chisel and chisel the support off the frame. It's not held in by bolts, it's spot welded into the car's frame.

It's also spot welded into the area where the fenders attach.

Once the old rotted one is off the car, put the new one back on. The ebay ones will fit ok with some minor adjustments. They are made with a thinner gauge steel. I suggest you prep it down with some black anti rust paint. Break out your welder and spot weld the new one onto the frame of the car using the relative same areas where the old spot welds were.

Reattach the AC condenser, replant the radiator, re-install everything the way it came out.
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