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Old 10-25-2007, 09:33 AM
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Custom Fiberglass Enclosure

Hey guys...I got a little bored sitting around the house plus I was a little sick of my car scraping on everything with the enormous speaker box that I had before from being soo heavy (as in over 100lbs) so I decided this past weekend to design and build a fiberglass enclosure for the wasted space at the sides of the trunk and I'm going to put together a little tutorial on how you guys can do it yourself also. But I'm going to do this a little different from the others by just putting up a little at a time so I can gain a little input from the experienced fiberglassers out there since this is my first ever attempt at playing with fiberglass and my progress will be shown here in this post:

First things first, I did a whole lot of research on the net and let me tell you there are many different methods to doing a good fiberglass enclosure and what I will be primarily doing is covering it with carpet so it does not stand out too much from my interior plus I just don't want all the work involved with sanding it down to a piano finish and painting but its always your preference on what you wanna do.

Next, I went ahead and got a shopping list together on all the items that are needed and I only have approximate prices since I get military discounts, benefits, etc. and most items can be purchased at Wal Mart, Home Depot, Lowe's, boating stores, and auto parts stores. Just shop around and get the best price and trust me, go out and buy more than enough supplies as you can always return what you don't use because it really sucks when you have to scrap an entire job because the fiberglass hardened and you ran out of supplies. Plus you will notice that a lot of the same stuff was purchased and thats because they are disposable and the resin once it is hardened is very difficult to clean out.

Also, you will need some tools to do the job properly and if you cannot borrow them then you will have to purchase.

Here is the equipment list:
  • Tape measure
  • Jigsaw or RotoZip/Dremel (which is extremely nice with the circle cutters)
  • Dremel Sanding attachments (if you got one)
  • Circular or Finishing Sander or at least a sanding block to do it by hand
  • Particulate Respirator with cans (please spend the money for this because fiberglass can get in your lungs and will cut it to shreds and I've seen it myself) plus you don't want to be inhaling the resin.
  • Caulking gun or Hot melt glue gun
  • Safety goggles (not glasses, again you must keep fiberglass from getting in your eyes because it will cut them up)
  • Also and this will cost you a fortune...A WHOLE LOT OF PATIENCE!!!
Shopping list:
  • Fiberglass Resin (with hardener) - 1 gallon - $35 each
  • Fiberglass Matt/Cloth - its all preference on which you like to work with better (Matt is a lot messier and cloth is weaker) - 8 packages approx 8-9 sq ft each - $5 each
  • 2in Masking tape - 2 rolls - $2 each
  • 2in Blue painters tape - 2 rolls - $6 each
  • 1 quart mixing cups - 10 - $0.70 each
  • Liquid nails or glue sticks for glue gun or clear silicone caulk (preferred) - 1 package - varies and is < $6
  • Wooden dowel rods - size and amount varies with location of speaker rings, etc.
  • 1 inch disposable brushes - 10 - $0.50 each
  • 3M Super 77 spray adhesive - 1 can - < $10
  • Nitrile gloves (do not get latex) - at least 10 pairs - < $6
  • 60 grit sanding paper - 1 pkg - $2
  • 80 grit sanding paper - 1 pkg - $2
  • 160 grit sanding paper - 1 pkg - $2
  • Stretchable fleece (from Wal Mart or JoAnn fabrics) - 2 yards - $9
  • Carpet, Felt, or Vinyl - 2 yards - $9
  • Plastic sheeting - 3 packages - $4 each
  • Foil - 1 package - $4
  • Packing peanuts (to measure volume for specific measurements)
  • Evercoat Rage Gold or Bondo - 1 package/gallon
  • T-Nuts/Screws (preferably security type to keep stuff from getting stolen)
  • Roller or Bondo spreaders
  • 1/2" or 3/4" MDF to make rings - (1) 2' x 4' sheet - $8
    TOTAL PRICE < $200

The following items are optional but I wanted to do this box right so I went ahead and purchased the following from Elemental Designs which is probably one of the cheapest companies online to get real good quality stuff for cheap.
This is what the completed project looks like in car:


Day 1(10/23) & 2(10/24):

I started first with the cutting of the rings for my speakers which are Rockford Fosgate P1 10s since they don't require a whole lot of volume and they really don't need a lot of power to supplement my Bose system which is probably the best sounding Bose system I have ever heard in a Nissan (or any other manufacturer no less) but it did need a little more bass which will do just what I need. I typically don't like systems with overpowering bass that pretty much shakes the entire car apart.
I also cut out the rings for my 3" Aero Port and speaker terminals and they were all cut to give the flush mount appearance.
I used the Router/Dremel to recess the cuts into the rings for the port and speaker terminals pictured here:


They do look a little rough and thats okay since it will all be covered up later in the project.

Then I got a little lazy with the router so I did a 2-piece ring for the speaker which consists of a base with the cutout for the speaker and a trim ring to recess the speaker. I did mine about 1 inch additional all around so I have room for the trim ring later:


This is the trim ring I made to match the outside diameter of the first cutout and about a 1/4" ring all around to recess the speaker and this will be attached to the first cutout by glue/silicone caulk:


Here is the completed setup:


This is the setup test-fitted with the speaker then I drilled all the holes for the T-nuts and sealed the ring with Silicone caulk to ensure it is airtight:


Day 3 (10/25):
I got my T-nuts installed and for those of you that don't know what these are:



Time for the painful part...So I started taping my trunk today and let me tell you ouch for my back is killing me after taping for 3 hours lol. I first started with masking tape on both sides of the trunk and then covered it with blue painters tape and from what I've heard this is the easiest/cheapest way lol. The picture below is the passenger side since I already started drawing and laying out the driver side for the setup. I also relocated the jack to sit on top of the spare tire (sprayed expanding foam to keep the jack from shifting around:


If there are any suggestions/comments please feel free to leave them and I will be updating with my progress in the weeks to come. Fire permitting here in SoCal.
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Old 10-25-2007, 12:56 PM
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You seem to have gone a long way on this. I've been interested in high fidelity for many years, and I've never seen anyone try to make a "lightweight" enclosure for low frequency speakers. The enclosures have to be very rigid, and the volume has a big effect on the frequency response. While I'm sure you can make them from fiberglass, I think if you make them to be truly functional, then they won't save much weight, if any. But good luck trying!
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I am certainly interested in this as a have couple of subs that I was trying to sell because I don't like the fit of the box in my trunk. This would however fix that problem. Just remember, for peak performance of a sub, it needs specific cubic space in the box and I am not sure how you can attain that, but you can certainly come close. Good luck and I will be keeping a close eye on your progress.
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Old 10-25-2007, 01:22 PM
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Looks great so far... can't wait to see more.
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Old 10-26-2007, 08:58 AM
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You seem to have gone a long way on this. I've been interested in high fidelity for many years, and I've never seen anyone try to make a "lightweight" enclosure for low frequency speakers. The enclosures have to be very rigid, and the volume has a big effect on the frequency response. While I'm sure you can make them from fiberglass, I think if you make them to be truly functional, then they won't save much weight, if any. But good luck trying!
Trust me that this will be much lighter than what I already had in there. Pretty much it was a 4th order bandpass made of 3/4" MDF and I used almost an entire 4' x 8' sheet to construct it and not to mention the plexiglass face to show off the speakers. Then I had an amplifier rack (made from the remainder MDF) directly behind it which only gave me about 15" to the back of the trunk. Lol I should have taken pictures of what it looked like before and how much lower it made the car. This will be far lighter and maybe even stronger given the method of how I am going to put it together. Plus did I mention that my subs are not very powerful so as not to split the enclosure and it will be vented no less. It will also be built exactly to spec since I used to design bandpass boxes in the past and those require exact specifications. Thanks for your suggestions though.

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I am certainly interested in this as a have couple of subs that I was trying to sell because I don't like the fit of the box in my trunk. This would however fix that problem. Just remember, for peak performance of a sub, it needs specific cubic space in the box and I am not sure how you can attain that, but you can certainly come close. Good luck and I will be keeping a close eye on your progress.
The cubic space should not be that bad since a ported enclosure for my speakers only require a 1.25 cu ft area and to measure that out is extremely easy. Just simply fill a cardboard box with the required cu ft with packing peanuts and then pour them into the fiberglass enclosure to estimate the space but I don't see myself having a big problem with that since mine will be utilizing the empty space on the sides of the trunk and all the way up to the back seats. You will all see as I fabricate the enclosure.
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If you want light--go free air. Done right you will have plenty of output and the only weight is the baffle and the speaker.
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Old 10-26-2007, 07:18 PM
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Yeah but my problem is the speaker which does not do real well with free-air since it is a P1 10" and I do not have near the output power from my amps to make it sound good. I'm gonna be sticking with the ported enclosure and I really don't think it will be as heavy as before.
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I've been thinking about doing this for a while. I'm anxious to see how this turns out. How much experience have you had with fiberglass? I'm pretty good when it comes to craftsmanship, just wondering if it would be over my head or not.
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If there are any suggestions/comments please feel free to leave them and I will be updating with my progress in the weeks to come. Fire permitting Here in SoCal.
Don't forget to take into account the trunk lid arm.
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Old 10-27-2007, 07:49 AM
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Day 4 (10/26)

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I've been thinking about doing this for a while. I'm anxious to see how this turns out. How much experience have you had with fiberglass? I'm pretty good when it comes to craftsmanship, just wondering if it would be over my head or not.
Actually, I have zero experience but I'm really good when it comes to craftsmanship since I used to design/build custom enclosure in wood and I used to install systems for a living. This entire thread is dedicated to myself learning the process and sharing my experience with others to see if they would like to tackle it themselves and I will show you my first learning experience in a bit

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Don't forget to take into account the trunk lid arm.
Oh trust me, I already did that for I know this one guy that has an Altima (just like mine) who built an enclosure out of fiberglass and realized he couln't close his trunk when it was all done and decided to cut the arm completely off lol not realizing that the trunk lid kinda needs it. And you know who you are if you are reading this

ANYWAYS, DAY 4, MY LEARNING EXPERIENCE!
Today really sucked let me tell you and I will be the first one to say that I TRULY HATE FIBERGLASS MAT NOW FOREVER!!!
I started the driver side and did everything I was supposed to but then the mat just started turning into complete dog$h!t and I decided to make a call for help and pretty much got a "I told you so" response so no bigge, I'm pretty much gonna scrap about 30ounces of resin, a tube of hardener (because I had too big of a hole making the drops extremely large) (plus the entire gallon of resin only comes with 2 tubes lol), and 16 square feet of fiberglass mat and cloth, not to mention a 2in roll of masking tape and blue painter's tape to tape off the entire side. I learned that mat is crap and all it does is crumple and stick to your brushes making it impossible to do a good job and this is what it turned out to be (and yes I threw up too after looking at that):

So I'm just gonna chalk that up to a loss and work on the other side and just redo it later. I decided today that I may do it in the months ahead since I'm going to relocate my battery to the trunk so I will implement the design with a space for the battery in there.

After that I went to the other side and with some nice advice from PSEDOG, I used fiberglass cloth for the entire job. First I started with laying down a nice thick coat of resin on the taped surface and then I layed down strips of felt to help give the enclosure support and a surface to soak up a ton of resin and allow the fiberglass cloth to adhere really well. Now I had a problem getting the felt to stick on the vertical surfaces so I opted not to put any there. Let me tell you this way is soo much better and I had virtually no problems getting a couple of layers down and this is how the other side turned out. The felt is the black stuff that you see.


Also, I will let you all know that the 1" brushes suck so don't get them...instead use 2" which is perfect and you will wanna cut the bristles down halfway to make the brush a bit stiffer which will aid in the laying process. It is also good to get a good coat of resin on the surface then apply cloth in 2 x 6" strips dabbing resin on top of the cloth till it gets absorbed (try not to brush the surface as it will wipe the cloth away causing it to bubble). And 10 brushes was really not enough for me so I have to go to Wal Mart again and buy maybe 10 more so I can finish (the resin hardens on the brushes making it pretty much useless after a while).

Well I will be taking Saturday off since its my wifes BDay and I will probably resume the job on Sunday if I have time. Please let me know anything that I can do different and don't even bother helping me reconsider using mat because I will never touch it again lol. Happy trails
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Fleece works the best on your base layer. I did mine in one piece. Did all my standouts and sections of MDF for support and such. Then used Fleece to give the final shape. After that I started adding the fiberglass and matte to the box. This was done on my 2002 Maxima. I will be doing one for my Altima soon also.
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Old 10-28-2007, 09:40 AM
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I know about the fleece and I do have some but I am saving it for the form of the enclosure and since I had leftover felt I decided to use that for the part of the enclosure that no one will see anyways. They are both relatively the same and I should have no issues once I get going on this one. On Monday, I'm going to even up the layers to about 3-4 and pull the whole thing out on Tuesday to begin the forms. I also received my ports today from Elemental Designs that I ordered on 10/24 and that is with standard shipping so everything I've ever said bad about how expensive their shipping is totally wrong since its soo quick and I got Saturday delivery no less.

Will update you guys when I can on Monday.
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whoa there I didnt think you were really gonna give this a try, if I become a free man I'll help ya out and give ya some pointers took me a while to figure out glassin but its kinda fun I was at the last stage of my box but my amp quit working so Im gonna replace that first before I finish the box but im gonna take it to a shop to get finished sorry guys I havent posted any new pictures of it, but heres the old link I had, hey Ramon I'll be around at school , Rental
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You want that to be a WHOLE lot thicker before you pull it out. As thin as it is now, if you pulled it out and did the ring, fleece thing--it would warp on you. Make it as thick as you plan to have it when done--while it is still in the car. At least 1/4" thick.

Remember also the strength is in the matt not in the resin. You want to use just enough resin to wet through the mat. Not create pools of resin.
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