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Old 03-30-2008, 05:57 AM
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From stillen website, instructions how and where to install it
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thanks man lol didnt think to look there
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Neat. Does anyone know how these compare among 3rd gen stockers and aftermarket?

For reference, I have the Suspension Techniques F+R anti-sway bars and they're 22mm and 19mm (0.87" and .75").
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"A stiffened metal bar". Man, you ought to learn at least a LITTLE about cars and car parts before you post another silly statement like that.
I checked the numbers, and it appears to be 20% (17%, actually) stiffer than the bar on the SE, which makes it MUCH stiffer than the bar on the other Altimas. It would be interesting to see what Nissan charges for the bars- $120 is about in line with some other vendors, $150 is a little high. Especially when there wasn't much R&D involved, they just copied the stock bars in slightly thicker material.
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Old 04-02-2008, 02:39 PM
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$150 for a stiffened metal bar....I'll be sure to add that to my list of things to laugh at. I'd think about it for my Z but not my Altima that's for sure.
Funny.

Rear sway bars are a very common and un-invasive mod for FWD and AWD cars that tend to understeer. At $150, if it can dial out a lot of the understeer, it's the most cost-effective suspension mod as well and you don't have to be on the track to reap the benefits like you do with many other mods.

With the stock Z suspension and it being RWD, for you it would probably be a waste of $150 unless you were building up a car for track and doing an all-around suspension upgrade.
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Old 04-02-2008, 02:55 PM
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lol I enjoy stirring the waters in this forum once every so often with my often worthless commentary.

But in all seriousness gentlemen if you want to play fast and furious with your front wheel drive four-door sedans just do it on a road far from my house. (As if understeer is an issue on public roads for responsible drivers) Maybe if you live in Montana. lol carry on
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As if understeer is an issue on public roads for responsible drivers
It is. I've said before that my wife's honda accord has remarkeably less understeer than the altima, and well, pretty much every other car I've ever driven or owned. I think the tandem axle dumptrucks I used to drive are the closest comparison.

It is enough of an issue that I brought it up to the dealer, they checked the alignment and inspected the suspension and found no problems (I question how hard they looked but what can you do?).

This is pretty much the only thing that bothers me about the car, so if I can fix with $150 and 1 hour of my time then I'm happy.

If I were gonna live my life 1/4 mile at a time I certainly wouldn't have bought a FWD sedan w/ a 4cyl engine.
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lol I enjoy stirring the waters in this forum once every so often with my often worthless commentary.

But in all seriousness gentlemen if you want to play fast and furious with your front wheel drive four-door sedans just do it on a road far from my house. (As if understeer is an issue on public roads for responsible drivers) Maybe if you live in Montana. lol carry on
Poor handling, whether it's understeer or something else, is EASILY an issue fo responsible drivers, and anyone with half a brain, or more, would know that. If some IDIOT pulls out in front of you, and you have to swerve to miss him/her, good handling lets you do it without losing control. Good brakes are the same- you don't have to drive very fast to need a quick stop, and not because of some problem you got yourself into. There are many people who sacrifice some handling for looks, and for a soft ride- but no need to put up with BAD handling.
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Poor handling, whether it's understeer or something else, is EASILY an issue fo responsible drivers, and anyone with half a brain, or more, would know that. If some IDIOT pulls out in front of you, and you have to swerve to miss him/her, good handling lets you do it without losing control. Good brakes are the same- you don't have to drive very fast to need a quick stop, and not because of some problem you got yourself into. There are many people who sacrifice some handling for looks, and for a soft ride- but no need to put up with BAD handling.
Something like that....

Bottom line is, if I'm in the least bit of trouble, the car goes straight, period, end of story. You can be the best, most heads-up driver in the world, but you'll still get in bad spots esp with the traffic in my area. You'd better just say a prayer until the car stops that the space directly in front of you is clear because you don't have any other options.
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lol I enjoy stirring the waters in this forum once every so often with my often worthless commentary.

But in all seriousness gentlemen if you want to play fast and furious with your front wheel drive four-door sedans just do it on a road far from my house. (As if understeer is an issue on public roads for responsible drivers) Maybe if you live in Montana. lol carry on
Understeer was put into place by the manufacturer ON PURPOSE.

Nissan could have easily dialed in a neutral car. Why didn't they do it? Saftey and liability.

Understeer is much easier to control than oversteer, and especially in an emergency situation. Understeer is predictable, unlike oversteer which can rear its ugly head at an inconvenient time and cause all kinds of mess.

Almost ALL cars made have understeer purposely built into the suspension dynamics.

And you aren't really stirring the pot when you make ridiculous comments that show a huge lack of knowledge on the subject.
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I prefer less undesteer, which is why im getting the bar
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The only thing that's keeping me from buying them right now is that 19mm is still so thin IMO. Coming from 2 accords, 2000&2003, Comptech's rear sways have always been 22mm solid bars. Accords and Altimas are pretty similar in terms of weights and stuff, so I'd wait til some company come out w/ a thicker one.
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The only thing that's keeping me from buying them right now is that 19mm is still so thin IMO. Coming from 2 accords, 2000&2003, Comptech's rear sways have always been 22mm solid bars. Accords and Altimas are pretty similar in terms of weights and stuff, so I'd wait til some company come out w/ a thicker one.
The diameter of the bar is relavent to this car and the suspension dynamics of THIS CAR. They have no relavence or comparison to another car. Oranges are not apples, even if you paint them red and make them weigh the same amount.
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The only thing that's keeping me from buying them right now is that 19mm is still so thin IMO. Coming from 2 accords, 2000&2003, Comptech's rear sways have always been 22mm solid bars. Accords and Altimas are pretty similar in terms of weights and stuff, so I'd wait til some company come out w/ a thicker one.
As I mentioned above, the Stillen bar is 20% stiffer than the bar on the
3.5SE, which is stiffer than the bar on the other Altimas. The diameter of the bar is one factor in roll stiffness, but as Foglght noted, there are other factors involved, so just comparing diameters is NOT meaningful. It's kind of like comparing chassis dyno horsepower numbers.
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lol I enjoy stirring the waters in this forum once every so often with my often worthless commentary.

But in all seriousness gentlemen if you want to play fast and furious with your front wheel drive four-door sedans just do it on a road far from my house. (As if understeer is an issue on public roads for responsible drivers) Maybe if you live in Montana. lol carry on
Right.... because making a vehicle handle better is a safety concern for everyone around them...

You're right, it was a worthless comment.
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