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That might be true if you are "Iron Man". But the stock one is almost 3/4" of spring steel. My feeling is that very few humans can bend a bar like that over their leg. Even it it's hollow. And having a stiffer sway bar doesn't translate directly into any sort of measurable handling parameter, so in that case "math" doesn't tell us much. (The stiffness is 20% greater in TORSION. Bending stiffness is not increased nearly so much)
Well put it like this, there are a few people saying they make a big difference.
You guys disagreeing with them is like this:
Hey guys, i just put King racing coilovers on my truck and it lifted it 2 inches, i can now fit bigger tires and have much better articulation.
then you saying: No, theres no way, because i dont have king coilovers so its not possible for your truck being taller then mine.
And just to let you know, less then an inch diameter hollowed out spring steel is very VERY bendable by human hands...
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Fast Auto-x cars can be a Honda CRX. They can also be Ford GTs, even 1974 Camaros. Relatively speaking, the 4-cyl isn't much slower than the 6-cylinder.
Think about it this way; your car has better weight distribution, and in the handling world, your car would be faster based solely upon that fact.
Edit: Don't worry about how fast your car is compared to others. There will ALWAYS be someone with more money who will go faster than you....ALWAYS.
Once upon a time, there were actually magazine articles with "before and after" tests, so we could have objective evidence of what to expect from some mods. (Nissan Performance Mag, for example) Now, there is "Nissan Sport", but they don't seem to have any interest in Altimas. I have seen tests which showed that the stock Altima just doesn't handle very well- not as good as the Camry, for example, and certainly not as good as a Passat. (the tests against the Camry was not an SE, as I remember) It would be nice to have some actual side-by-side testing to see if the performance improvements are enough to justify the price. But it just doesn't seem likely that these tests will show up.
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^+1.... it would be really nice to see an actual comparison....
Well the reason Nissan Sport has not done any tests really on the Altima is for lack of a better word or car I should say. I have spoken to Dave Ochenreider personally on many occasions and pretty much never had an Altima to test drive for any length of time. Also, suspension performance parts are now slowly coming out so it will only be a matter of time that they get a test car and most likely it will be the coupe since us sedan guys really don't matter...UNLESS we make a badass ride for him to test.
I'm actually working to get my car published into his magazine and he will be doing a road-test as well just so we can get a comparison. I do care about getting the information out to you all and anything I can do will make me extremely happy. Tooslow_4_u is also working with me on this project for you 3.5 guys as well. We will let you know the status eventually because I'm going to speak to him again at Stillen on the 17th.
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well, math is a universal language, so if new sways are thinker and 20% stiffer, you will notice a pretty big difference, especially since you can appearently bend the stock ones over your leg.
i myself would get the stillen sway bar, but i have a 2.5 and theres no reason in making a slow car try to handle like a fast autocross car hehe.
Slow Car! meh...I plan on changing that and our cars are not slow to say the least for a 3900 pound tank. A few modifications and we do have a pretty aggressive 4-banger although it really cannot compete with Rally cars like the Evo or WRX but most 3.5s can barely beat them if at all. But they have weight to their advantage. And I know you 3.5 guys are gonna eat this alive (especially the MT guys) but just look at the tuning capabilities for both motors and soon the power of the CVT will be unleashed...just give it time. Computers can be "hacked" to do all kinds of crazy things and so will CVT very very soon. Thats the benefit of "Drive-by-Wire".
Slow Car! meh...I plan on changing that and our cars are not slow to say the least for a 3900 pound tank.
Maybe more like 3100 lbs. Big difference. That's why they aren't slow....per say.
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Well whats 800 pounds...I probably have that added to mine with the exhaust (which is much more heavier than stock), RIMS, Airbag setup, sound system, etc.
Maybe more like 3100 lbs. Big difference. That's why they aren't slow....per say.
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I guess those weights are for the 2008? Or the coupe? For the 2007 sedan, Nissan gave the "base" weight as 3,298 for the SE with the 6 spd, 3,364 for the SE with CVT, and 3,428 for the 3.5SL. The lightest was the 4 cyl with manual, at 3,107. Without driver, and with no options. So if you add on some aftermarket stuff, and a driver, you could easily get the 3.5 to 3,900 lbs, or the 4 cyl to 3,600. That's several hundred pounds heavier than a 1965 Shelby Mustang GT350, which had a curb weight of only 2,800.
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I guess those weights are for the 2008? Or the coupe? For the 2007 sedan, Nissan gave the "base" weight as 3,298 for the SE with the 6 spd, 3,364 for the SE with CVT, and 3,428 for the 3.5SL. The lightest was the 4 cyl with manual, at 3,107. Without driver, and with no options. So if you add on some aftermarket stuff, and a driver, you could easily get the 3.5 to 3,900 lbs, or the 4 cyl to 3,600. That's several hundred pounds heavier than a 1965 Shelby Mustang GT350, which had a curb weight of only 2,800.
Sedan, the coupes have their own forum.
Shelby Mustang.....yawn.
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If you had a Shelby, it could be worth somewhere around the same as 10 Altimas. ($250,000) and it would be MUCH quicker, and handle better. Not as comfy, though, and no back seat. I just mentioned the Shelby to give some perspective on the weight of the Altima.
If you had a Shelby, it could be worth somewhere around the same as 10 Altimas. ($250,000) and it would be MUCH quicker, and handle better. Not as comfy, though, and no back seat. I just mentioned the Shelby to give some perspective on the weight of the Altima.
I second the Shelby comment, the Shelby's aren't normal stangs, upgraded and minor suspension modifications (Shelby drop, yeah someone else discovered it, not Shelby), they drive like no other car though...still got to find some time to finish the damn suspension and do the drop on my '68.
They aren't as heavy as people perceive either, but pushing my car up a wet parking lot with a slight slope at 1am wasn't easy...stupid alternator.
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