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Old 11-21-2009, 06:40 AM
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Altima 3.5 5MT vs. Redline Ion S/C stage 2+ (long...crappy vids too)

Well, I was able to find a guy nearby over at the CobaltSS forums, and we met up and had a fun time and did a bunch of different runs. I'm just going to copy and past what we put over at the Cobalt forums. This all kind of spawned from my report of beating a stock SS/SC pretty bad, and a lot of them didn't believe me. This guy I met up with was cool as shit and had a nice and fairly modified Ion. He was runnin' 17.5psi he said. Here ya go... he said he runs about a 14.0@104+
From cobaltss.net user airshark360:

so after Carlson_mn posted about walking a stock sc (Cobalt SS Network) i wanted to see wuts up, and after tonight i totally believe he can murder a stock sc.

so meet up its raining so we drive about hour where is wasnt raining. we did about 8 total runs. I have 2.9 42's pacesetter header and downpipe, and stock cooling, i think he has intake and no mufflers sounds amazing. the first 2 runs we did a 60 punch and he had me til about 80 and started to past him. we did dig he got me til about 80 again then i started to pull him. we did a 40 and i pulled about 2-3 cars. by now i have to be heat soaked and could smell my clutch not sure if it was slipping or just hot. then we did a few more 40 punchs and he has tape of one of these. then we did 10-120 sh spun til 60 he has a vid of this also. had a great time

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race Carlson_mn Altima 3.5 5MT
40 punch had a bout 2-3
from a dig he had me real good til about 80

totally surprise me, he will chime in and put in his view of the races tonight, he is a stand up guy.

And my response with vids...

Shark posted it up pretty straight up. I had only raced the one Cobalt SS/SC before so I didn't know what to expect, but I knew I should get beat by a stage 2+ Redline. I did, but it was pretty competitive and they were fun races. No doubt his Ion is a beast from a roll. He pulls pretty good from a 40 roll with me. From a dig I shift from 1st to 2nd around 45 and my car picks up a lot better from that point. His car is faster, especially up on the top end. In addition to our lined up, roll races, we did a few 3rd gear runs on the highway and he pulls those couple cars on me between 80-100 and then I was able to kind of hang behind him. One highway roll we went up to about 135 and I was probably about 3 cars back. My 1st gear seems to get up on him and pulls on him. Redline shift into 2nd I'm able to hold him off, but his nose goes from my rear bumper to my door by end of 2nd, and during 3rd his midrange boost pulls him a good 2-3 cars on me by about 95, at which point my top end seems to start to hang with him again.

Here's the vids. They're nothing special, and the races aren't 100% lined up, so take them for what they are. I was steering, and shifting at WOT while trying to film!

This is the 40 roll in 2nd gear. His car is a beast from this roll. I think we both let off after he pulled 2 cars as it wasn't the best place to be racing.

This is the race from about a 10 roll. The vid makes it look like I seriously jump the gun on him but I don't think it was really that bad. It wasn't that easy to do everything perfect while hoking, filming, and what not with traffic behind us on the merge lanes... I had about a 1/2 car lead on this one at the start but I think we floored it at the same time. I always waited till after the 3rd honk to hit it to keep it fair. He is spinning either his tires or the clutch for a while in his 2nd gear. I'm able to keep about a car on him until about 100 when I have to shift into 4th, and it's at the bottom of my gear there where he zooms past and put those car lengths on me. At 115-120 you can that lead is about 1.5 cars ahead of me or so...

It is what it is and it was a lot of fun. AirShark is an awesome guy and was super cool meeting up and sticking with it to find some dry grounds to open 'em up. His car is fast, faster than mine, and much, much faster than the stock cobalt SS/SC I put a beating on. The supercharger sounds awesome winding up next to me. Sounds like an electric jet engine spooling up!
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Old 11-21-2009, 06:57 AM
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Nicee!!..glad to hear the guy was cool
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Old 11-21-2009, 08:07 AM
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im impressed! MADD clutch slippage on the part of the ion in the second vid...
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Old 11-21-2009, 12:07 PM
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Good races, check your PMs Carlson.
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Old 11-21-2009, 01:27 PM
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To 07max can you setup something locally in the DMV (DC, Maryland and VA) area? I have something that Carlson doesn't - top end. I have an SSIM and that makes quite the world of difference with the top end of this car. In the races I had with the NON-HR 350Zs prior to installing the SSIM, I would hang till about 90MPH, then they would just start to walk away from me after that. I am on that forum now as well.

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Old 11-21-2009, 02:52 PM
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im impressed! MADD clutch slippage on the part of the ion in the second vid...
Thanks, yeah you can hear his SC seem to spin up kinda crazy like in 2nd gear, but I didn't hear any tire spinning, so we both suspected it was his clutch.

and props to you for giving me that PM on the SS forum to let me know somebody was interested in a run, 'cause otherwise I hadn't been notified of any responses in the regional thread, so you kinda set this race up!

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Good races, check your PMs Carlson.
Thanks - I'm interested in your thoughts and the mod.... will talk to you some time about it!

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Old 11-22-2009, 09:25 PM
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Nice runs... I'm just curious did you have extra weight or passengers? Your 3rd gear was rather long.

[edit] dohhh.... lol 5SPD :PP
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Old 11-22-2009, 09:35 PM
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Nice runs... I'm just curious did you have extra weight or passengers? Your 3rd gear was rather long.

[edit] dohhh.... lol 5SPD :PP
good catch on the edit! yeah, I was probably doing about 105 when I shifted into 4th. That's when the Ion came up on me. He said he could beat a SE-R handily when he was stock... and that he's a lot faster than stock now.
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Old 11-22-2009, 10:57 PM
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Old 11-22-2009, 11:13 PM
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Nicee!!..glad to hear the guy was cool
Thanks. He was very cool and knew his car pretty well it seemed.

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im impressed! MADD clutch slippage on the part of the ion in the second vid...
Thanks, yeah it must of been his clutch he said he could smell it afterwards.

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nice runs carlson
Thanks, they were a lot of fun. I still want to find a stockish SS/SC and make a vid. A lot of guys on the SS forum thought I was BS'n about killing a stock SC and they claim a stock SC would pull on me hard from a roll (where I killed the stock SC). None of them really commented after the Redline guy and I met up lol. FWIW he says he has raced and pulls on stock SS Turbos and thinks I would be able to take one to at least 100.
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Old 11-22-2009, 11:49 PM
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Thanks. He was very cool and knew his car pretty well it seemed.


Thanks, yeah it must of been his clutch he said he could smell it afterwards.


Thanks, they were a lot of fun. I still want to find a stockish SS/SC and make a vid. A lot of guys on the SS forum thought I was BS'n about killing a stock SC and they claim a stock SC would pull on me hard from a roll (where I killed the stock SC). None of them really commented after the Redline guy and I met up lol. FWIW he says he has raced and pulls on stock SS Turbos and thinks I would be able to take one to at least 100.
there are ricers everywhere, they make claims without knowing anything about the other car... to say a stock one would pull hard is ignorant. however stock v stock the sc is faster
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Old 11-23-2009, 12:15 AM
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I wonder if you guys could grab a 4th gen Intake Manifold to solve the top-end issue on the 3rd gen VQ's.
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Old 11-23-2009, 04:17 AM
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I wonder if you guys could grab a 4th gen Intake Manifold to solve the top-end issue on the 3rd gen VQ's.
I seem to remember something about them not matching up or something along those lines. VIAS plate alone gives a huge character change to the top end, stock I agree it feels weezy and flat, but my top end feels nice now, it screams and pulls real good to 6k. Another 500-1k of pull would be nice tho. I may consider the SSIM, just don't want to lose the midrange.

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Old 11-23-2009, 09:36 PM
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I wonder if you guys could grab a 4th gen Intake Manifold to solve the top-end issue on the 3rd gen VQ's.
it won't line up with the block if I recall correctly. there is a long thread about it on the org in the all motor section
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Old 11-23-2009, 10:29 PM
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