Warranty does not cover damage done by another company at all.

 

Nissan uses a polymer, not metal oil pan on the 1.5 L Turbo, the KR15DDT. The 2.5 L, the PR25DD, has a metal oil pan. The oil drain pan plug screws into an insert, and therein lies the problem. The insert sometimes comes out with the drain bolt, ruining the plastic pan....which makes the car unusable until a new oil pan is installed. The damaged pan cannot be repaired.

A search on the internet shows that drain plugs inserted into the Rogue plastic oil pans are failing sometimes whether or not a torque wrench is used and whether an experienced Nissan mechanic aware of the fragile nature of the drain plug did the oil change or a third party did the oil change.

I cannot fault the independent oil change shops for declining to work on the 1.5L with the plastic oil pan.

 

I will back up plastic parts issues when they have threaded inserts in them, some during manufacture the plastic does not form completely around the insert and those commonly will pull the insert loose in one time trying to retighten it.

 

Yes, it voids the warranty.

 

Please explain.

 

I'm sorry about your difficulty with your Rogue. You're able to have servicing done by a 3rd party automotive repair business without voiding the warranty under the "Right to repair" law that was passed a few years ago. I would take your Rogue back to the Nissan dealership since it's still in warranty along with documentation of the numerous failures of these parts that are being posted online. I would also suggest filing a complaint with NTHSA concerning this issue. The more complaints NTHSA gets, the more they're likely to do something about it.

 

Absolutely NOT.

You ARE able to get work done at a 3rd party vendor any time you like but you CANNOT have them tear up the car then take it back to Nissan to get it fixed for free. They might feel generous and do it but the warranty expressly forbids repair where parts have been torn up (see the abuse clause and in every warranty there is) and Nissan will claim in court the proper techniques were not used and that they drain the pans all day long with no issues at all. You then WILL lose the court case.

Right to repair is NOT the same thing as right to tear up!!!

 

Absolutely NOT.

You ARE able to get work done at a 3rd party vendor any time you like but you CANNOT have them tear up the car then take it back to Nissan to get it fixed for free. They might feel generous and do it but the warranty expressly forbids repair where parts have been torn up (see the abuse clause and in every warranty there is) and Nissan will claim in court the proper techniques were not used and that they drain the pans all day long with no issues at all. You then WILL lose the court case.

Right to repair is NOT the same thing as right to tear up!!!

Once again you put your lack of knowledge on full display. The right to repair law makes it possible for people to have their cars serviced by a 3rd party and NOT void their warranty. The problem is clearly a poor design by Nissan of the oil pan and the oil plug.

 

You are once again like so many times before carefully parsing your words to make a non valid statement in the context of this discussion even though it is true in and of itself.

The second sentence there IS true, until you overlay the abuse clause on it which is a non deniable part of the warranty by LAW, and can be exercised at any time Nissan feels the line has been crossed there.

I watched that happen several times when I used to service parts clients that tried to deny incompetently generated charges they created by applying for 3rd party warranty relief, it pretty much always failed as a tactic.

'A part does not have to be defect-free if it will meet a certain standard of performance over a specified time.' All Nissan has to say is that 'the design has been tested and thousands of vehicles are using the supposedly bad part with no issues at all now' and they can then deny the warranty over it. I took the first sentence directly from the Magnuson-Moss Act itself.

If people are silly enough to think that you can break things incompetently and then get the vehicles fixed under warranty for free they need all the trouble they can handle, that is fraud.

 

You are once again like so many times before carefully parsing your words to make a non valid statement in the context of this discussion even though it is true in and of itself.

The second sentence there IS true, until you overlay the abuse clause on it which is a non deniable part of the warranty by LAW, and can be exercised at any time Nissan feels the line has been crossed there.

I watched that happen several times when I used to service parts clients that tried to deny incompetently generated charges they created by applying for 3rd party warranty relief, it pretty much always failed as a tactic.

'A part does not have to be defect-free if it will meet a certain standard of performance over a specified time.' All Nissan has to say is that 'the design has been tested and thousands of vehicles are using the supposedly bad part with no issues at all now' and they can then deny the warranty over it. I took the first sentence directly from the Magnuson-Moss Act itself.

If people are silly enough to think that you can break things incompetently and then get the vehicles fixed under warranty for free they need all the trouble they can handle, that is fraud.

Once again, like so many times before, you're the one who is wrong. Taking a car back to Nissan for a car that's still under the Nissan manufacturer's warranty is not a 3rd party warranty claim. You once again fail to understand that the right to repair law gives people the ability to take their car to an auto service business that's not the car dealership for service without voiding the car manufacturer's warranty.

 

If you will simply read the act and all parts of it you will realize that it is NOT the all covering blanket statement you are trying to claim here. There are caveats in it to protect the manufacturer of product too.

I spent some years in work determining whether things were under warranty or not, I was considered very good at it and any case that tried to go to court was turned down, my company won every time.

You can take the car in all day long and no problem with warranty, but void it by action taken by you is another issue entirely. You don't seem to grasp that at all.

We are done here, you have once again proven the DNA does not follow through.

 

If you will simply read the act and all parts of it you will realize that it is NOT the all covering blanket statement you are trying to claim here. There are caveats in it to protect the manufacturer of product too.

I spent some years in work determining whether things were under warranty or not, I was considered very good at it and any case that tried to go to court was turned down, my company won every time.

You can take the car in all day long and no problem with warranty, but void it by action taken by you is another issue entirely. You don't seem to grasp that at all.

We are done here, you have once again proven the DNA does not follow through.

You don't seem to understand that the manufacturer's warranty is not a 3rd party warranty company. The right to repair law makes it possible for people to have their cars repaired by a non manufacturer auto repair business and still maintain the manufacturer's warranty. I agree that we're done because all you do is use personal attacks to impose your viewpoint on anyone who dares to disagree with you. Your routine is old and predictable. In the process your bullying is chasing people away from the forum.